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Full Metal X · Dec 31, 2007, 09:44 PM // 21:44

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Originally Posted by You can't see me

I think this thread could use some

Iv seen plenty of evidence from other topics that you are bad, no need for i herd.

garethporlest18 · Dec 31, 2007, 09:44 PM // 21:44

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Originally Posted by Sha Noran

Here's another fact that you can call a myth and whine about: The most effective things in PvP are also the most effective things in PvE. Surprise!

The truth is, it just doesn't matter in PvE whether you're as effective as possible or not because the game is incredibly forgiving and rarely forces you to play at 100%.

Actually I do not think spamming interrupts or using Crip Shot will be more effective than Burning Arrow in PvE. Having an interrupt or two and Pin Down maybe, but not 123 or Crip Shot as an elite.

Then again I use Poison Tip over Apply Poison because I think 15e things fail.

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Originally Posted by Full Metal X

I lol'd mostly becasue your bad.

No this game is bad, just like your spelling of because.

Stormlord Alex · Dec 31, 2007, 09:45 PM // 21:45

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Originally Posted by Sha Noran

Here's another fact that you can call a myth and whine about: The most effective things in PvP are also the most effective things in PvE.

On general principles - physicals kill shit, hybrids monks = win - I agree.
But actual skillbar-wise, my PvE builds are rarely the same ones I run for PvP.
Frenzy has little place in PvE where Flail does the same thing with no drawbacks; and PvE skillz rule.

Ahem. You're pretty much right though

TheHaxor · Dec 31, 2007, 09:45 PM // 21:45

This thread is a rant, not meaningful discussion.

The Riven · Dec 31, 2007, 09:45 PM // 21:45

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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

Implied when you said...

Indicating that there's situations where IAS isn't desirable.

There are situations where an increased adren does not rely on an increased ias.

While an ias will double the adren gain in a normal situation, this is not always the case, as posted before, any skill that will induce a "miss" will negate the adren gain causing an ias to fullfill the role as as adren gain to fail. I can point to many and numerous areas in both nightfall and GW:EN that will cause this to happen.

If you would like a list of the small amount of people on this forum to who i would listen to in acordance to builds please pm me.

You can't see me · Dec 31, 2007, 09:48 PM // 21:48

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Originally Posted by Full Metal X

Iv seen plenty of evidence from other topics that you are bad, no need for i herd.

I was wrong, what it needs is

Full Metal X · Dec 31, 2007, 09:49 PM // 21:49

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Originally Posted by The Riven

There are situations where an increased adren does not rely on an increased ias.

While an ias will double the adren gain in a normal situation, this is not always the case, as posted before, any skill that will induce a "miss" will negate the adren gain causing an ias to fullfill the role as as adren gain to fail. I can point to many and numerous areas in both nightfall and GW:EN that will cause this to happen.

If you would like a list of the small amount of people on this forum to who i would listen to in acordance to builds please pm me.

I like switching targets and monks for condi removal, but thats just me.....

Stormlord Alex · Dec 31, 2007, 09:50 PM // 21:50

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Originally Posted by The Riven

While an ias will double the adren gain in a normal situation, this is not always the case, as posted before, any skill that will induce a "miss" will negate the adren gain causing an ias to fullfill the role as as adren gain to fail. I can point to many and numerous areas in both nightfall and GW:EN that will cause this to happen.

Wait, what?
You're arguing against IAS because you miss?

Switch targets, and take half-decent monks with Dismiss Condition instead of Healing Breeze.

Magikarp · Dec 31, 2007, 09:53 PM // 21:53

what a bunch of childish, egotistical retards there are here. you should all just uninstall, and delete your guru accounts. you all make me ashamed of my, what once was, favorite gaming community.

gg noobs. (gj representing smart, decent warriors too Stormlord. i thought you'd have more of a brain than you've shown here.

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garethporlest18 · Dec 31, 2007, 09:53 PM // 21:53

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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

Wait, what?
You're arguing against IAS because you miss?

Switch targets, and take half-decent monks with Dismiss Condition instead of Healing Breeze.

That doesn't help when you get Price of Fail(ure). Which causes you to miss 75% of the time. Remove Hex> Gets Pbond. Holy Veil>Gets the Insidious. Remove Hex>Gets the reapplied Pbond. See you just ultimately fail with that one.

It also makes Sins with IAS miss 95% of the time and die automatically.

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Originally Posted by Magikarp

what a bunch of childish, egotistical retards there are here. you should all just uninstall, and delete your guru accounts. you all make me ashamed of my, what once was, favorite gaming community.

gj noobs.

This community has always been this bad since 2006. Blame Fail Metal X up there for this thread and Stormlord for his fail cat pictures.

zwei2stein · Dec 31, 2007, 09:54 PM // 21:54

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Originally Posted by Sha Noran

The truth is, it just doesn't matter in PvE whether you're as effective as possible or not because the game is incredibly forgiving and rarely forces you to play at 100%.

Myth: PvE doesnt need/take skill.

Truth: PvE doesnt need/take skill. But flawessing PvE in record time does (and its also fun)

garethporlest18: I think that he meant "stone-carved" truths like superior runes being generally subpar, high HP being better than High energy, warriors doing damage and not tanking, tanking not worth it and wasted party slot ...

Importing specific builds is too much of a hassle.

(btw, if poison tip signet as even marginally better than apply, people would use it. Turns out, apply is worth it even with its costs, and it does not cost 15e for ranger, unless you do something wrong)

Full Metal X · Dec 31, 2007, 09:54 PM // 21:54

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Originally Posted by garethporlest18

That doesn't help when you get Price of Fail(ure). Which causes you to miss 75% of the time. Remove Hex> Gets Pbond. Holy Veil>Gets the Insidious. Remove Hex>Gets the reapplied Pbond. See you just ultimately fail with that one.

It also makes Sins with IAS miss 95% of the time and die automatically.

Price of failure is 25%.

Wild Karrde · Dec 31, 2007, 09:54 PM // 21:54

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Originally Posted by Aerian_Skybane

I can't agree more with the OP, since I have run builds that last longer than tanks (Assasins),

Using Flashing blades and crit defenses and only going after melee or running first sign of trouble, or bragging casue you got a good monk doesnt count.
and tanking is stupid so you loose.

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Originally Posted by Aerian_Skybane

Do more damage than a warrior with IAS (Ranger),

That warrior just sucks balls.

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Originally Posted by Aerian_Skybane

I have a warrior that doesn't have IAS and he does quite fine.

My warrior would kill yours faster cause I gots an IAS. If your running riposte you arent worth crap unless youre farming which kinda dull anyway.

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Originally Posted by Aerian_Skybane

Myths, all of them!

TRUTH ALL OF THEM. TRUTH? YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!

Dominator1370 · Dec 31, 2007, 09:55 PM // 21:55

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Originally Posted by garethporlest18

Then again I use Poison Tip over Apply Poison because I think 15e things fail.

I lol'd because you don't know what Expertise is. Rangers shouldn't have problems with energy.

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Originally Posted by Full Metal X

I lol'd mostly becasue your bad.

QFT

The Riven · Dec 31, 2007, 09:55 PM // 21:55

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Originally Posted by Full Metal X

I like switching targets and monks for condi removal, but thats just me.....

Your point is?

Unless you are in agreement with me that sometimes a Paragon has a better case to be included in a team than a monk has, i would like this matter cleared up

Edge Martinez · Dec 31, 2007, 09:57 PM // 21:57

IAS isn't so important for a Warrior in PvE to me at this point in the game. With so many Ele henchies, and the ability to micromanage them, I typically focus more on KD's with my warrior. Using RotN in lieu of IAS, and pairing it with some rarely used skills and PvE only skills, you can basically keep the heavy mob NPC on the ground indefinitely.

Now if partying with other real people? I'd tend to agree that PvP tactics work well in PvE.

Full Metal X · Dec 31, 2007, 09:57 PM // 21:57

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Originally Posted by The Riven

Your point is?

Unless you are in agreement with me that sometimes a Paragon has a better case to be included in a team than a monk has, i would like this matter cleared up

1. Paragons are over powered, PvE and PvP. 2. WTF does that have to do with anything?

Stormlord Alex · Dec 31, 2007, 09:57 PM // 21:57

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Originally Posted by garethporlest18

That doesn't help when you get Price of Fail(ure). Which causes you to miss 75% of the time. Remove Hex> Gets Pbond. Holy Veil>Gets the Insidious. Remove Hex>Gets the reapplied Pbond. See you just ultimately fail with that one.

Mmm... okay.
First, Price of Failure is only 25% miss chance.

Second, any necro worth paying attention to won't cast IP and PoF on the same target - IP only affects actual hits, going against PoF's debuff.

Still, not taking a skill that significantly increases your power just because you might get shut down is retarded in the least.

I know! I'm not gonna bring Eviscerate. It's useless if it gets blocked.
Or... Don't bring Word of Healing! It might get DShotted/Power Leaked.

See?

Inde · Dec 31, 2007, 09:59 PM // 21:59

Yeah... don't think I need to explain really. Trolling, flames, PICTURES, insults. Closed.